| 1.2.3.19  Was God 
                  ignorant and savage ? The Bible describes Jesus (pbuh) as follows:
                 "And Jesus increased in wisdom and 
                stature."  Luke 2:52 and "Though he were a Son, yet learned he 
                obedience by the things which he suffered."  Hebrews 5:8 If Jesus is God and they are not two separate 
                gods, then did God start out as an ignorant and savage god and 
                then become a learned (wisdom) and prestigious (stature) god? 
                Does God have to learn? Does God start out savage 
                and increase in stature? Does God need to learn obedience to 
                God? If there is only one God in existence, and this god is a 
                "Trinity" with three faces: God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost 
                (required by Isaiah 43:10-11 and countless other verses), then 
                is Jesus (pbuh) learning obedience to another side of his own 
                personality? If as we are constantly told, God Jesus and 
                the Holy Ghost are ONE God, and if God surrendered some of His 
                godly attributes and became man, then did He also surrender His 
                knowledge and become ignorant, and His stature and become 
                savage? Did He have to rebuild His knowledge and His stature 
                from scratch? Mr. Tom Harpur says: 
                 "In fact, if you read Mark's whole Gospel 
                carefully you will discover that the disciples were far from 
                recognizing the divinity later attributed to Jesus. The very 
                ones who should have been most able 
                to see through the 'disguise' are at times 
                depicted as dull-witted and even downright stupid....Some 
                scholars, indeed, have calculated that Mark deliberately showed 
                the disciples in a rather bad light because he was conscious of 
                a serious problem. If Jesus was the Son of God in the later; 
                more orthodox sense, how was it that his closest associates - 
                the witnesses of his miracles and the confidants of his deepest 
                teachings - never knew who he was until well after the 
                resurrection?"  For Christ's Sake, pp. 59. Remember, most Christian scholars today 
                recognize that the authors of the Gospels of Matthew and Luke 
                used the "Gospel of Mark" as the source document from which they 
                obtained their material. In Grolier's encyclopedia, under the heading
                "Mark, Gospel According to", we read:  "Mark is the second Gospel in the New 
                Testament of the Bible. It is the earliest and the shortest of 
                the four Gospels. ...Much material in Mark is repeated in 
                Matthew and in Luke, leading most scholars to conclude that Mark 
                was written first and used independently by the other writers" Well, what then is the Islamic perspective on 
                all of this? Islam teaches that God does not need to lower 
                Himself in order to display His love and mercy for humanity, 
                rather, He retains His glory, majesty and sovereignty and then
                raises humanity: "Allah will exalt those who have believed 
                from among you, and those who have been granted knowledge, to 
                high ranks. And Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do."
                 The noble Qur'an, Al-Mujadila(58):11 "Whosoever desires honor, power and glory, 
                then [let them know that] to Allah belongs all honor, power and 
                glory. To Him ascends the good word, and the righteous deed does 
                raise it; but those who plot iniquities, theirs will be an awful 
                doom; and the plotting of such (folk) will come to naught."
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